Shining World

The Final Disappearance of the Doer

Luke: Dear beloved Sundari and Ramji, I wish from all of Me that you are all Good and all of You is Good! I have just donated 100 dollars to ShiningWorld, to express my gratitude, to help with this amazingly important “event” going on, and also as a gratitude for the series of great satsangs emails I had with you, Sundari, last year. On this, I also want to apologize – I might have used too much of your good loving will to share the Truth. I am sorry for that. But at least, my eyes open to it in the end. Thank you so much for the time and effort you put into those satsangs emails. They were and are so full of Love, Wisdom and Clarity.

With me all is well. I don’t have intensive work at the moment, so have more free time to enjoy the beauty and simplicity of Life. I take care of a few people close to me, a few cats, plants around the house and the house itself. I pay attention to those who need my time and love. All of this is just a natural happening – I did not decide to “do” it. It is just the Good of Love that works through me to the ones who need it. I am grateful for this possibility.

Otherwise, I stay a lot by myself – quiet, reading and listening to Vedanta and all of the endless richness the satsangs in the ShiningWorld website and in the books. I just love to hear the Living Truth again and again and again, every time new and fresh. I live it, which is not it, but Me, with no doubts.

I hope very much to attend the seminar in March at your place! And see you again.

~ With endless Love and Gratitude


Sundari: It is good to hear from you again! Thank you so much for your generous donation, we are most grateful. I wondered what happened to you, as it is a long time since we spoke. You are mistaken that you used up too much of my time. We are always happy to help genuine inquirers with their inquiry. There was no problem really, perhaps the only small issue was the way you were using words to relate to me as a teacher and maybe a little too much emphasis on the jiva experiences. I know you are very dedicated to and have great respect for the tradition of Vedanta and for us as teachers. I am glad to hear that you are using your time so productively and making a contribution to life as Isvara presents it to you.


Luke: Some “thing,” I have no idea what it is, has not completed itself – for the final actualizing all the time, no time, of the only one true Self. It is fine. Whatever needs to happen is happening. And my life as the Self – ever-present, silent, peaceful, never-born, never-die, non-dual love, awareness, is already very dominant.


Sundari: I think we discussed the stages of Self-inquiry quite extensively in our last conversations, so you must know that the final stage, nididhyasana, is the longest and most subtle. It takes as long as it takes, there is no rushing the process, because freeing the jiva of its identification with its program, even when Self-realization has taken place, is very difficult. There are many layers to it. We call this the seventh and final stage of moksa, the complete disappearance of the doer and its story. It requires a renunciation of the renouncer, the one who seeks moksa. It is giving up moksa itself because you are moksa. Though there is no rushing this process, of course, living the teachings helps it along. But it is up to Isvara, nothing else. Take life as it comes to you, one thought at a time.

Keep discriminating each thought from you, the Self. Entrust the rest to Isvara to whom all things belong and from whom all is given, in the karma yoga spirit. What does it matter anyway, when you know you are the Self and there is nowhere to go and nothing to gain, not even moksa? You always were free. So, if the jiva program should arise and cause a little disturbance occasionally, just observe it. Apply karma yoga instantly and let it dissolve. One day, the jiva program will just be gone, and you will notice – oh, yeah – I wonder where Luke went? He will be there, but just as an object known to you. No problem at all. A burnt rope.

I hope we get to see you in March, that would be wonderful.

~ Much love and many blessings, Sundari

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