Shaun: I am intrigued by the reflection teaching you refer to in your talk on
Zoom last night. I realize I am not that clear on it. Is the holding of the mind upon the reflection of the Self in a sattvic Subtle Body a direct means to Self-Knowledge by virtue of the fact that if the mirror is pure the reflection is perfect?
Sundari: Yes, correct. However, my talk did not elucidate on the finer details of the Reflection teaching, which is described in James’ book the Power of Know. It is an advanced teaching, and at the moment, we are both working on a clearer, simpler and yet more comprehensive teaching, which James will soon post. For instance, in my talk, I did not elaborate on what is the jiva (Subtle body), exactly.
The Jiva is Consciousness, appearing as jiva, and the basic constituents are:
Pure Consciousness
The reflecting medium – field of experience/the gunas/ five sheaths/three bodies
The reflection (only applies to self-reflective jivas, i.e., humans).
When Maya (ignorance) clouds the mind, even though the Jiva is Consciousness/the Self, it identifies with the reflection, and is bound by ignorance, limitation and suffering. Though the human mind is intrinsically self-reflective, unless its cognitive and psychological functions are somewhat developed, self-reflectivity does not register. Vedanta calls this type of human “stone men, plant or animal men”. The next type of ‘men’ are called ‘men men’. These are jivas who are starting to develop objectivity, but are still identified with the body/mind. It is only possible to have direct knowledge of the Self when ignorance is of the Self is removed, and the last stage of jiva development is called ‘God men’. These are jivas who have the qualifications to discriminate between Original Consciousness as their true identity, and the reflection, the conceptual jiva or doer.
When Self-knowledge is operating, you know that although the reflection is you, you are not it. The reflection of the Self, even though just a reflection, is actually always perfect because the Self is always perfect, no matter the state of the mind/mirror. However, if ignorance (impurity/duality) clouds the mirror/mind, which means it is conditioning to the gunas, we do not see the perfection of the Self, the source of the reflection. We cannot know (or we forget) that what we experience all the time is the Self, it is who we are.
Under the whip of the gunas, the deluding power of Maya, either we temporarily lose access to Self-knowledge, or we identify with a distorted reflection. A reflection of the Self, the Subtle body, although it comes from the Self, reflecting off the reflecting medium (Awareness plus Maya=Isvara=gunas) is neither real or unreal, no matter how pure the mirror of the mind is. It is apparently real. The reflection is known to you (Awareness) so cannot be you.
As I said in my talk, the source and the reflection are the same but they are different, like the light of the moon comes from the sun but is not the sun, or the wave is the ocean but the ocean is not the wave—sat, asat, vilakshanam—something that is other than the Self but is not the object either, a trick of light caused by Maya. The reflection teaching is probably the most important teaching in Vedanta, and stated in my satsang (ignorance and Knowledge Set Point), one that is most misunderstood. It stands to reason because it is very subtle.
Shaun: Is a Sattvic Subtle Body identical in nature between apparent Jivas or will there always be some distortion due to differing levels of rajas and tamas in the Subtle body (i.e. it’s impossible to achieve a totally Sattvic mind as the gunas are always present together).
Sundari: Sattva is the nature of the mind and our ability to experience it depends on the balance of rajas and tamas present in the mind, which will be different for everyone due to their karma and conditioning. You can experience a more or less perfectly sattvic mind through guna management, especially when all the vasanas are rendered non-binding and the doer negated. But moksa (freedom from and for the jiva) does not depend on sattva and neither does the ‘enlightened person’. A mind may be very sattvic but still in ignorance of its true nature as the Self. Conversely, rajas and tamas may be expressing in the mind of a Self-realized person and not affect them at all because they know they are triguna-atita, beyond the gunas.
As the jivanmukta, you know who you are and experience the bliss of Self-knowledge regardless of how the gunas are playing out in the mind. Getting hung up on sattva is as much an obstacle to moksa as too much rajas and tamas. We call it the ‘golden cage’ of sattva. All the gunas are objects known to you. And as you correctly point out, it is not possible (or necessary) to achieve (and maintain) a totally sattvic mind due to the ever-changing nature of the gunas, which are always present together, with one usually dominating.
Shaun: So is the Reflection of the Self slightly different in appearance depending upon the differing intensity and presence of the incestuous bedfellows within the mainly sattvic Subtle Body.
Sundari: Yes, knowledge of the reflection of the Self may differ for everyone due to the way the gunas express and how much ignorance remains, but the experience of the Self is the same for everyone.
Shaun: If I may ask Sundari, when you are in Yoga with the Reflection of the Self what is it like? Would it be reasonable to concur that the Reflection would be similar/the same for Awareness moving as me as it would be as Awareness moving as you given that the Self being reflected is Non Dual and technically it is the same Subtle Body it is being reflected in.
Sundari: There is only one Self, Shaun, how can ‘my’ experience of the Self be different to yours? All experience is the Self, experiencing with or without Self-knowledge. I am never ‘in yoga with the Self’. I am the Self so I have no need to yoke myself to it. Everything yokes to me because I am the Knowledge, I no longer need the teaching because the teaching of Vedanta removed ‘my’ ignorance (avidya)—samsara or belief in duality. Your question implies that there is more than one Self, or that there is special experience attached to being the Self. There is not. See above.
The hard and fast knowledge: I am whole and complete, ever present, unchanging, unconditioned awareness, is just that: knowledge. It is not a feeling, intuition, or mystical experience. It is ordinary and it is permanent, regardless of what is going on for the jiva. It means I see the world through the lens of the Self, knowing that whatever I see is me, but I never confuse myself with the objects appearing in me. Even though I can still see through the lens of the person, I know that when I do, the person lens is operating, and that all I see is perfect because all is Isvara.
There is much more to this teaching, watch out for the longer explanation the Ramji and I have worked on today.
Much love
Sundari
